CTS 353: Introducing the EX4000 switch (Sponsored)

0:07 hi everybody Welcome to a brand new episode of the clear to sand podcast my name is roell De unio your co-host here

0:14 alongside with Francois your other co-host how are you doing Fran very good thank you R how are you I'm doing great

0:21 it's it's wonderful to record again get to have other people on the show so we've got a special guest from juniper

0:28 we've got Obby from Sundar from from juniper who's going to talk about some new releases coming out from juniper

0:35 which can be very exciting especially around this time that we're recording where it's close to

0:42 wlpc it's also close to um Mobility field day so uh every year we always

0:50 hear about these new announcements from juniverse so how are you doing Obby I'm doing very well thank you for having me

0:56 here yeah it's great to have you here and uh I you and I have met uh quite a

1:01 few times just from working um at at in higher ed and then we've also seen all

1:09 of us all three of us together at Mobility field day so I think it's great to have you back on we have uh and the

1:18 every time I speak with you guys I learn a lot so I'm excited to be here uh well I think it's the other way we learn a

1:24 lot yeah both way

1:30 well uh I'm excited to hear about what you're going to present to us and and

1:35 talk about and we want to just keep it a open conversation um as we do with every

1:41 guest who comes on to the show but um why don't you also introduce yourself to everyone who who don't know who you are

1:48 yeah sure um my name is ABI shamsunder I'm a part of the product management team at Juniper Networks I focus on all

1:55 things switching and and the software that manages switching it's called wir Insurance uh and today uh I'm excited to

2:04 talk about switching very surprisingly I want to talk about you know a brand new

2:10 Switch uh like a true product manager I'll start with slides well you know uh

2:15 after that we can go into as many details and questions as we uh as we want to go about but I'm super excited

2:21 about uh uh new product that's about to hit uh very soon very close uh two days

2:27 from today when we're recording uh and it's the ex4000 switch yeah all right

2:33 there you go so the ex4000 just to be available right before Valentine's Day

2:39 so for all your loved ones out there and I'm talking about your network because we all love our Network right this this

2:45 could be a wonderful gift it's like a hate love relationship

2:51 right that's for sure gonna be only love love after this

2:57 hopefully Ione make up but we we wanted to talk about switching because um

3:04 although this is a Wi-Fi Centric podcast with the new Wi-Fi 7 APS coming out they

3:10 do change How We Do infrastructure right because there's uh Poe requirements that

3:15 are changing uh a lot of these APS have up to 10 gig ethernet ports now so at

3:23 some point a lot of us are going to be swapping out the switches for newer

3:28 capable switches to meet today's standards so I think I think that's a a

3:33 great way to start this year off as we talk about Wi-Fi 7 that is so true uh the the technology

3:41 treadmill on Wi-Fi is is just been going faster and faster in the Last

3:47 5 Years uh we have Wi-Fi 7 now and definitely a switch that that uh you

3:53 would need a switching upgrade when it when it comes to um you know higher power that is required for powering up

4:00 that many radios that you will have on on on the APS and obviously we're turning out more traffic through those

4:06 uh through the airwaves in spite of being half duplic so uh you you need you need bigger switches at least um things

4:14 that can switch packets faster for you so definitely this would be one one

4:19 amongst them yeah I mean talking about pushing traffic half duplex over the air but we're approaching wired speeds that

4:29 we're used to to um and I think one of the the first questions that comes to my

4:34 mind is I'm used to seeing like a ex 4100 4400 4300 this one's the

4:42 ex4000 so why introduce an ex 4,000 model

4:48 switch so we've been uh in the process

4:53 of actually upgrading uh the switching line but one thing that was extremely

4:58 important for us was also to bring out switches that are uh Cloud native and

5:04 also to meet current demands it needs to be fast fast could be many things um we

5:11 needed something that that's built ground up uh with inputs from how do how are we able to boot faster um you know

5:19 we wanted to be able to make sure that the boot time for the entirety of of the

5:24 switches uh is less than two minutes that was a gold standard that that we set off and we started

5:30 uh this project you've experienced the maps for us you know the map boot time

5:35 was an extremely critical factor and that comes from top down uh for for us

5:41 uh boot time is down time reboot time is down time uh whatever whatever upgrade

5:46 time is downtime and none of that should be too long as a whole and uh We've

5:52 we've followed something very very similar approach uh in terms of at least the thought process of how we built the

5:58 aps this this switch you would see you know there's a whole bunch of fast things that you would see on the slide

6:06 uh we wanted to make sure that it we took in uh the goodness from what we've done from a AP perspective bring it on

6:14 the switch side but also take some of those uh elements and also make ourselves ready for the future uh Wi-Fi

6:20 7 is something that you spoke about so for us uh this needed to be this new

6:25 line of switching uh to be brought about so in know the I think the boot time is

6:31 very important uh for us on the operational side of things uh when you guys came out with the uh 17 seconds

6:38 boot time for the M AP that was like incredible um it's not really something that you know everyone can appreciate

6:45 but you know if if you've worked with other APS and you waited five minutes or three minutes for the aps to put up we

6:52 really appreciate the how fast is but like you said it's also good for down down time reboot Time upgrade time all

6:59 of this is as the the the question that I'm wondering is how are you able to uh

7:07 shrink that boot time is it like the same Os or are you not doing things that

7:13 we were doing before like how did you guys make it happen pretty much that's my question oh couple of thoughts uh so

7:21 there are things that we don't do on this switch uh for example roel you mentioned 4100 uh 4100 can also be used

7:29 uh in a typical campus where we speak about uh let's say evpn VX land even at

7:36 the edge uh where you're able to Route traffic with you know uh and then

7:41 perform group based policies and and things of that nature this which is focused on being able to cater to a

7:49 really uh select uh line of customers who are focused on powering uh a couple

7:56 of verticals that I can that uh that comes to mind you know higher education um uh retail places where the focus is

8:04 uh not routing at the edge but focus on is is providing power so you will not

8:10 see us doing evpn VXL on this line for example that that's uh but there's also

8:16 uh you know over a period of time youve built a switch for such a long time there are things that are that are

8:21 accumulated over a period of time so you go through when you're building something ground up you say I don't think I need this and those elements are

8:27 taken out and that's what you know takes down so we we obviously stri some stuff

8:33 that that we don't require but we also said you know since we're building it ground up what are things that are

8:39 accumulated over a period of time and what what are things that can be actually purged and that all results in

8:45 in and that that was the whole operation operational efficiency that was driven

8:51 to build this product and was it only software or did you guys take any hardware decisions to meet that goal of

8:58 booting under two minutes as well yeah so uh it does come with the higher performing uh processing processing

9:05 power uh that's also a part of it there are two two reasons why we did that obviously we said on the top right says

9:11 AI native I know it almost if you say cloud native AI native it seems like

9:16 buzz word Bingo but the idea honestly was uh was genuinely uh for for us to

9:22 make it AI native as in for us to actually do any calculations of the cloud we need Telemetry and we need it

9:29 at at a rate at which we are able to make meaningful sense out of it so the the processing power required for the

9:35 switches were also a part of that decision but it also helped uh in in the boot times as

9:40 well yeah interesting yeah that's a that's a greatly improved boot time

9:45 because I was just upgrading some switches not too long ago I think they were the 40 the 4100 and we were waiting

9:53 maybe 10 15 minutes so to reduce that all the way down to 2 minutes you know

9:59 no we're we're going to start timing it once we uh get our hands on yeah so when you're upgrading obviously you're

10:05 copying an image to the device and then you're rebooting this is spe the two minute is specifically the reboot Time

10:11 just boot just starting up from how much time does the data plan have impact

10:17 that's pretty much the the downtime got it got it the copy operation you know uh

10:22 it's your your packets are still forwarded so that's okay okay interesting all right is that the only

10:30 big update with the for okay so one of the things that uh was a

10:37 consistent feedback for us from a lot of places again again the vertical that we spoke about uh was we needed something

10:45 that is quieter um you have to experience the switch uh I had a room

10:52 full of people uh where I was presenting this uh late last year I had the switch

10:57 plugged in and nobody knew there was a switch in there it's probably the quietest switch uh that we have built

11:03 probably quietest in its class I can't claim that yet but definitely the quietest switch that we have built um

11:09 and and this was for use cases where in you know under desk kind of use cases where it's not fanless or uh it's

11:16 sitting right beside a cashier in a in a restaurant uh these were you know real

11:22 user feedback that we had to honestly take and make make a switch usable in an all environments so uh that's probably

11:29 my my favorite part apart from you know it being the fastest to Bo you know dynamic Port profiles it's much faster

11:35 because it ships with cloudex maybe we can talk about cloudex uh in a little bit but it it ships natively with

11:41 cloudex fast and Perpetual Poe basically when the devic is booting as well it's still providing power let's say you hit

11:48 uh an upgrade um it's still continuing to provide Power so that it doesn't take power out from an AP that needs an extra

11:56 long boot time or a phone whatever that is is being powered it's it's it doesn't have to go through a boot cycle and then

12:03 start forwarding packets the moment our data plane is up then you immediately start fing packet so fast and Perpetual

12:10 per become very critical so those are those those are other elements that are part of it as well but probably my

12:15 favorite feature is is how quiet it is as as a functioning for switch with fans

12:22 that's a feature that I appreciate because I put in quite a few Juniper switches in areas where it needs to be

12:28 quiet and I I have had a complaint about the fans on the ex switch so I did have

12:34 to remove one of the power supplies having yeah so we didn't have redundant power supplies but I had to

12:41 put in a procedure saying where well you know if we lose power just someone has to physically go there and plug in the

12:47 other one but um I'm just curious like with with higher Poe requirements I

12:53 would assume we need more fans for the cooling and so Hardware wise our are are

12:59 are they modular fans or are they builtin uh fans we can't swap out and

13:06 then you somehow did sound dampening in the in the switch itself no there's some

13:14 uh we went even lower um we said it's obviously built in uh this is a fixed form factor uh switch um the one of the

13:24 things that we did is the switch uh always assumed that you had to have uh

13:31 the fans blazing when it boots up uh because that that's how it was programmed and even in ambient

13:39 temperature uh the fans were on um at a higher speed when it was not required to

13:44 be right the fans should still go up when you're placing it in a 50°

13:49 Centigrade or a you know uh or a higher temperature environment the fans do

13:56 appear will will go up at that point in time but it's when it's placed in an office environment there's already

14:01 enough cooling you're sitting right beside the cash register that means you're you're in a in a great place

14:07 there was Intelligence built in to figure out what is the temperature outside and what is the amount of cooling that is required for the fans to

14:13 keep it quiet you still uh that that kind of uh and obviously the fan modules

14:20 are different uh uh the hardware perspective those were taken into consideration but uh a lot of what we uh

14:28 what we did get is is by optimizing uh some of the fan speeds when when it's not required for it to be that loud uh

14:36 yeah there there's new fan modules in there as well that that's uh that also helps okay and H how about the depth of

14:43 the switch is it going to occupy the same amount of space as like a

14:48 4400 model switch or is it it's it's uh much smaller I have some

14:55 um slides where we speak about but it's not it's it's not the full Ru like a 44

15:01 or 4300 you know the the switches that you've seen it is it is

15:07 slightly um much smaller form factor

15:14 um to yeah feel free to show us Abby we'll uh if you want to share your

15:19 slides well U if you guys are listening to this audio we'll put the video on

15:24 YouTube so you guys can see what the switch looks like um we'll try to describe it as uh

15:30 as best as as possible uh yeah oh hold on

15:38 so I don't have the picture of the switch itself actually you can see it kind of from here on this representation

15:44 it's it's much smaller uh in a in a form factor perspective uh I'll also try and pull out a slide of of the switch itself

15:51 uh while we're conversing but uh and and so here on the slide we can see that you

15:57 actually have different models you have eight Port 12 Port 2448 and then you have multi- gig uh Poe

16:05 and then uh non Poe I'm guessing yes uh do you want to do you want to explain the different uh flavors definitely so

16:14 if you see uh one of the uh common things that we also heard and that's uh

16:21 that is again a new thing for from a juniper perspective uh is our um eight

16:27 Port family we've never had an eight Port eight portter before uh this is going to be the first uh in in the

16:34 ex 4,000 family or or any ex switch family that we are introducing our eight

16:39 Port uh with uh Poe support in them uh two 10 gig up links uh you also have the

16:45 24 and 48 port with the multi rate as well so you get you know uh 2.5 gig

16:52 ports uh eight of them uh in a 48 ports so that's if if you're technically

16:58 looking at AT AP distribution uh as long as you know uh usually also if many

17:04 other with many other things uh that are getting plugged into and in accordance

17:10 to uh you know how do you salt and pepper APS across multiple uh you know multiple line cards

17:17 of a given virtual chassis virtual chassis is you know uh in a non uh

17:23 Juniper lingo sometimes it's called stacking uh but essentially if you want to make sure that your APS are spread

17:30 across different line cards of a given stack or a given virtual chassis then

17:36 you know and if you're Distributing eight per switch you can actually do eight ports of multi- gig uh on on the

17:43 48 Port multi multi- gig switch uh so and you also have dedicated stack stacking cables that means you're you're

17:50 just plugging in DAC cables 10 gig da cables um for you to easily plug in and

17:57 then the switches form virtual chest all by themselves they'll hit the McLoud get its config and uh all things that You'

18:04 have done with word Assurance you know a zero touch provisioning uh easy provisioning and also hopefully the

18:10 speed with which the devices would help uh but definitely multi-rate ports are ex uh on on 48 Port you you get eight

18:18 eight of them on 24 Port you get uh four of them uh you also get on the 12 Port

18:24 skew for um for uh of the uh 2.5 gig

18:30 ports that means even in a fanless model you get a multi rate um uh line C or a

18:37 multi four multi multi rate ports for you to plug in APS if you're doing under

18:42 desks or um uh in in especially in education um if you're doing in

18:47 classroom below the uh Podium kind of switches this this would probably be

18:52 very helpful or even in retail if you have like a small store and you just need you know a couple of APs yeah you

18:59 can okay and the um the connection to the cloud is that included in the two

19:05 minutes so no 2 minutes uh you you probably are adding another 45 seconds

19:10 for it uh it does go through uh the process of uh you know zero touch

19:16 provisioning uh the device boots up uh it has cloudex built in that means it

19:21 knows it doesn't have to download any further firmware uh for it to be uh for it to reach the cloud so when we're

19:27 shipping it it's it ships with Cloud cloudex for folks who don't know um Cloud X is um the new iteration of us

19:36 moving away from what we had traditionally been doing for the last four years that was we used a custom

19:42 Port Port 2200 on TCP for us to communicate from the switch to the cloud we no longer do that U it's very APS as

19:50 in uh it it communicates to the switch it communicates the switch communicates to the cloud over Port

19:57 443 um and so you don't have to punch holes specifically outbound with from your

20:03 network going outbound you never usually have you you've never had even previously had to punch in anything

20:09 coming in so uh similar to the access points right very similar to the access

20:16 points just a different end point M okay okay so they they the switch will

20:22 reach out to a specific address in the cloud using 443 and then you'll get

20:28 unboarded that way correct and since you can build templates well in advance uh

20:34 the moment it completes the zero touch provisioning it also get gets it gets its config and for all APS and phones

20:41 and stuff we usually use Dynamic Port profiles that means they'll match off of um lldp tlvs any of them if you're doing

20:49 maps for example just match on ldp description starting with M and the aps

20:55 get onboarded automatically W phones uh can cameras for example uh if you're

21:01 doing uh any camera of that sort most in fact any power seeking device always

21:07 usually negotiates using lldp so and we could use any of the lldp tlvs to say I identify Myself by by the

21:16 description the uh oui the oui is is probably complicated because different

21:23 manufacturers have different oui but you could do system ID uh lots of functions

21:29 within tlvs that you could use so you're saying we could do like zero touch provisioning so if I have if

21:36 I work for retail company and we're opening a new store we could ship the AP the APS and chip chip the the switch and

21:44 then connect everything and everything gets configured without really doing much that is definitely the intent uh so

21:52 for the most part uh if you think about the entire process of uh building a store for example

21:59 uh especially if you're converting a store uh the way you would Envision this is uh you're going in there is an

22:04 existing set of store uh devices that's already there and usually you never have rack space to add another uh one right

22:11 away so you go in a couple of hours prior um just form the virtual chassis

22:17 uh just seek a one single port on the management Port uh uh on the existing

22:23 infrastructure connected to the Management Port of the Juniper switch the Juniper switch will ztp P get its

22:29 config will become a virtual chassis automatically uh you don't have to connect the clients yet you wait you

22:34 wait for the store to close and all you're doing at that point in time is just uh moving cables from the the

22:43 existing switch the new switches and then off you go U I've done deployments of uh switches

22:51 just using this methodology wherein you're in and out of the store within 2 and a half to 3 hours and the longest

22:58 pole in the tent being actually having to go install switches probably higher up in the racks or somewhere in the

23:05 middle of the store somewhere up in up in the air but barring that this can be extremely fast uh you can expedite your

23:13 on boarding and cut over process much uh significantly faster

23:18 MH and then when the I'm guessing that when the switch connects to the cloud the cloud would know that it's a ax 400

23:25 4,000 sorry it does it uh like you know how the aps have a

23:31 claim code the switches all have a claim code too the claim C associate itself to a serial number uh a a platform a SK all

23:41 of that is is built in the back end

23:46 okay yeah I mean that's the easiest way to do it I you you no longer have to set

23:51 aside a block of ports and say these are my AP ports these these other sets are

23:57 my camera uh security camera ports for for me it's

24:02 just saying what is what am I seeing on lldp oh I see a Miss AP assign an AP

24:09 Port profile oh I see this camera assign the AV or the security Port profile that

24:16 has all the vlans and I think that for us uh when we talk about efficiency and

24:23 and quick to deploy um that's what I look for as someone who Consulting with

24:29 other people it's like well here's how fast we can be in deploying your downtime is is very low we're not

24:36 talking days of downtime as we try to cut cut over to to this network and

24:42 makes it a lot easier yeah if you're watching the screen this

24:47 is where you would come in in in The roel Spook about Port profiles for as Port profiles are the definitions of

24:55 personas that are coming into the network for example uh what what does an AP require a trunk

25:00 Port um and then uh Port description uh What uh what are the networks that

25:06 you're allowing and also the physical properties speed duplex Mac limit all of

25:11 that makes a p profile you build that once and subsequently all all you would

25:17 do is just say anytime anything that matches this definition I'm saying saying llddp Port description starts

25:24 with mist then automatically put this in the AP Port profile what this does is it

25:31 takes away like roel said the the over overhead of having to go

25:37 assign ports to their port profiles as we call them every single time you do it

25:43 the hardest part is just the these Port profiles once yeah and a lot of the installers get confused by that because

25:49 they're so used to having some sort of patch Matrix and they're like where do I plug in the access point where do I plug

25:55 in the camera and they get confused when they say I don't care just plug it in and it'll do the

26:02 rest yeah it it definitely and also it takes out some of the manual errors that may happen saying somebody plugged in

26:09 the wrong Port one thing I I will say and probably as a confession uh whenever

26:14 you're migrating from another popular vendor to to us uh we start Port

26:19 numbering schema from 0000 and the uh the other vendors as a whole they

26:25 usually start from 001 for example and if the cut sheet or the port mapper like

26:30 you said does not account for it you know there might be some chances of somebody plugging in assuming that it

26:38 this is these are the odd ports these are the even ports and it's vice versa so some of these errors this is

26:45 automation yeah this is what we would want to do yeah minimize the amount of errors and and that way uh but let's say

26:53 let's talk about the M gig Port though because are those specifically on set ports or do you just

27:01 have a specific number of ports that can be M gig um there can only be eight ports and

27:08 they are specifically the first eight ports zero through gotcha gotcha so if you've got an AP 47 you're GNA want to

27:16 say hey it has to go any port as long as it's the first eight first eight yeah

27:21 okay do you have any fancy LEDs that let you know if uh you're out of Poe or if

27:27 you're connect to the cloud or anything like this yeah the cloud definitely yes um okay so the thing that we want again

27:37 there's a lot of uh Cloud elements that that we have built uh every time uh you

27:42 go to the switches page uh we'd want to showcase for example what is the state of the network uh if a device is is not

27:48 connected and we do this with the aps 2 today uh and it's been uh uh for example

27:54 this particular AP it says no IP address if the AP is not connected to the cloud

27:59 you technically shouldn't be getting any any information from the AP right how how do you know that the device is not

28:05 connected to the cloud because it doesn't have an IP is because we share the information or Bluetooth to the

28:12 nearest uh connected AP MH we do something very similar to the with the with the switches as well um if there is

28:19 a switch that is connected to an upstream switch which is already connected to the cloud but the switch won't come up it will tell uh the same

28:27 same f few things right it will say I am not connected because uh you know I

28:33 don't have an IP I don't have a default gateway the DNS server is wrong my cloud is unreachable because your firewall is

28:39 blocked whatever the answer is you have this and this is seen on the LED on the

28:45 switch itself as well as this is percolated over lldp to the neighboring

28:50 switch that way that switch can tell the cloud saying hey I have a switch connected uh looks like the default

28:57 gateway isn't reachable then they say oh I put it on the wrong native vand and they fix it so you don't have to go

29:03 truck roll console in figure out what's going on that's that's the intent try to make it as Cloud native as possible you

29:11 should add a you should add a Bluetooth radio in there so you can talk to the aps

29:17 uh I'm sure that part was that part of the discussions it has been there is uh yeah

29:24 I'll I'll talk talk about that to you guys offline it's it has been a very it makes sense now that you're

29:31 explaining it it makes sense to me yeah um that's cool okay and those are all

29:37 features that come included with the 4,000 the ex4000 it's not like because

29:43 it's a lower number you know it's a ex4000 versus a 4100 that you're not

29:49 missing any features that you would see in the in the dashboard no all all the

29:54 things that that we're doing everything that that comes as part of uh as monitoring uh as providing Telemetry all

30:01 the way from your bad cables to MTU mismatches anything layer one layer two

30:08 uh all of them are still continue to do the same because this switch was built for Telemetry uh to be consumed in a

30:14 very optimal fashion and none of that changes the one important thing that's the difference between the 4100 4,400

30:21 line would be the fact that it it does not participate in actually being a part

30:28 of uh evpn VX topology wherein it itself is part of a or or a VAP itself barring

30:35 that uh everything else that you see uh including uh we we don't um you still

30:40 have the ability to do static routing uh you still have the ability to do basic OPF all of that still continues to stay

30:48 none of that changes and when you talk about Telemetry can you tell us a little

30:53 bit more which tele materal you're talking about here yeah so um for example example uh we talk about what is

30:59 known as these service level expectations right uh is where we say hey you've got all of these interface

31:05 anomalies this is where I tell you bad cable is the problem MTU is the problem there's a negotiation failure uh you

31:13 have congestion in the network because somebody's pummeling your interface at the rate at which you can't handle it and you're stopping to drop traffic all

31:20 of them at the heart of them are you know uh counter somewhere

31:27 in the switch right now what is the smartest and the most efficient way to

31:33 get that information out to the cloud is telemetry for us the Telemetry uh on on

31:38 all cloudex enabled devices especially the 4000s are no longer a pull model

31:45 they are push as in there is periodic uh there's on change all things that you

31:51 would uh think from a modern automation framework uh this piece of information being shared to the cloud uh is is uh

31:58 done either it's an event based or on change or periodic every minute you send me this particular um uh you know sensor

32:07 Telemetry uh is all done now directly from the switch you no longer are polling for it and that's why it's a lot

32:13 more efficient for us to gather that that information okay and the switch is they still running Jos OS they are they

32:21 are rning J so all the goodness that comes with it programmability automation

32:26 all all all parts still stay stays the same okay and then I'm guessing they'll

32:32 they'll they'll be cheaper than the other Series right they'll be your best pric switches this is probably yeah this

32:40 is our best pric switch not probably this is our price switch this is uh if you're looking for a switch that does

32:47 everything I said and everything I said it wouldn't right uh which is for the

32:52 most part from an aess switch perspective they should fit the B you're looking at the right switch Yeah I think

32:57 like you know I think it's it can be a very popular switch uh because in a lot of uh

33:03 places as an access switch it it meets the requirements right uh if you if you

33:09 were to connect U like you said APS cameras maybe VIP phones or you know

33:16 workstations I think it's uh it's uh it can be a very popular switch for you

33:21 guys it it definitely is and and for us uh again that that part of APS and cam

33:28 were very critical uh we wanted to make sure we are able to do 60 wats of power and a very high uh you know uh wattage

33:36 of power as a whole apparently uh yeah obviously Wi-Fi 7 APS uh you'll need up

33:42 uh you'll need that much power but the modern cameras that are coming through uh not only are just doing camera stuff

33:49 they're doing infrared they're doing some basic Intelligence natively on the cameras before something is their

33:55 Telemetry goes off means the need more power so all of them are usually more IP

34:02 IP based now so uh there's a lot more um

34:07 devices that are coming onto the network that require more power and this was very critical for us to get this uh

34:13 model right with even though you know uh it is the best price switch uh we wanted

34:19 to make sure you get uh you get the right power for especially you're doing retail if you're doing K through 12

34:25 higher education these are uh you know as they call Ras tax and and we wanted

34:30 to make sure that's there and it gives you all of that and in terms of Licensing it's just a it's a typical M

34:37 license where you get like the 12 port and I guess you guys will have a new eight Port license no eight and 12 are

34:44 the same oh eight and 12 okay so it's 12 24 and 48 okay if you've seen we'd like

34:49 to keep the minimum the lines on your when you yeah we appreciate that it

34:55 should be two at most three lines obviously you need you know da cables and stuff like that but the product

35:00 itself uh minimal number of lines so you will see uh u a combined skew uh for uh

35:07 software on the switch if if you're buying any this uh and then the software for uh for uh the Miss subscription and

35:14 the device itself these are two things uh that that that come as a part of the quoting so uh the the power cord comes

35:22 with it yes okay thank you

35:28 sounds like you you had an issue before Fran no it's yeah it's you know you never know you know it's better to ask

35:36 no I'm the same way I had to ask someone like it comes with the power cords right because I don't see them here yeah and

35:44 since all this is a fixed form factor version you're not looking at you know adding up links or not getting the right

35:51 SFP I mean it's already it's a fixed Uplink module have to change it out

35:57 correct yeah and so that Uplink module is it is it two ports is there a four

36:02 port capability or with it can be ports if you'd like to uh two ports are

36:09 dedicated for virtual chassis but you can if you're not using the um you know

36:15 as a stack switch as a member of a stack switch then you can just use all four of them to Uplink them or for you can use

36:21 four 10 gig ports or it could use 10 two of the 10 gig ports to go down to a server somewhere it's a choice so for

36:29 the chassis portion where you're going to you know stack the switches you're using two of the

36:36 SFP um Bay in the front of the switch there's no dedicated

36:42 um no dedicated Cable in the back or no there's no dedicated Cable in the back

36:48 uh you would use um you know the two of the ports and you could you could use all four if you'd like to there'll be no

36:54 dedicated ports at the back uh you could just use the two here and this is the same model that that we have tried to do

37:00 with the 4100s as well so we're going to continue doing this um for for this model too and and for the most part is

37:08 the hardware underneath is it the same as the other switches no uh there has been a few

37:16 changes that we have done so you will see you know as I said uh slightly higher processing power uh it is

37:24 different okay I mean what what else should we know about this switch it's pretty

37:30 capable um I want to I want to ask if you guys have any features that are not

37:35 software enabled yet but that you're May thinking of adding or enabling in the future I don't know if you can answer

37:41 that question but ask it there is a USB port uh that we have not done I can't

37:48 speak much about right now but there is a USB port that that's there uh that I

37:54 bet you Fran it's going to be Bluetooth capable through the years for

37:59 short just add a Bluetooth adapter the Gateway yeah you connect the

38:06 gway of some sort interesting okay or you can charge your phone yeah I or you

38:12 can charge your phone yes that's what I use it [Laughter]

38:19 for I mean the other part is um all the ports all the standard uh Port security

38:26 functions are supported from uh from the get-go that also means it integrates

38:32 natively with the misn uh you can actually make this truly zero trust by

38:37 saying every single port the revenue ports that are out there just don't bother make everything uh A2 2.1x fall

38:44 back to MB and uh you can make your at least anybody who needs to go through at

38:49 least go through goes through a first uh order of uh Security check to say

38:55 whether are you allowed to get into the network or not not you could also then double down put them on the right velan

39:00 automatically all of that stuff is is possible um but uh again in you you guys

39:08 have hopefully already experienced the Mis snack uh the most beautiful part

39:13 about it is you don't have to have a server on Prim uh you're not uh looking and maintaining its servers uh that that

39:20 needs to be uh you know upgraded so uh if you want to try it out you just go

39:25 enable uh Miss Knack and it starts working right away I like the fact that the Telemetry

39:32 from The Knack is also integrated into yeah Maris so it's easier to

39:37 troubleshoot it is and it continues with this too uh so all Telemetry will be on

39:43 seen on the switch and sides you can ask Marvis questions on why is my uh you

39:48 know switch not able to help this device on board connect we'll troubleshoot and we'll tell you the

39:53 answer okay so if we want to learn more about this switch is uh where should we go do you guys have any documents um

40:02 data sheets that you have available yeah so uh as soon as it's launched uh you'll

40:07 have a landing page uh there is going to be a detailed data sheet um as well as

40:13 um there are resources that will be out uh as part of you know uh uh as part of

40:19 this launch uh there is specific Tech videos that are made dedicated to speak about the verticals that displays in as

40:26 well as um uh we we'll we'll share all this information on uh on juniper.net as

40:31 well as some of the social handles that we have cool okay we'll try to relay them on our show notes when it's

40:37 available we'll we'll includ links on on the on the show notes but I'm curious like you have the launch but how soon

40:43 after will it be orderable yeah so there are two parts uh you will see uh there is the uh MP skes

40:52 that are going to be order orderable uh right away after the launch which is the 12th of Feb uh and then there is just

41:01 the pce cues that will be uh so and they will be available end of February so

41:06 you're not you're looking at probably 10 day 20 days more for you to get actually handson if you order uh immediately and

41:14 then there are the peace cues which is uh going to be available the fourth month of February which is second

41:20 quarter of uh 2025 so it's it's coming out very soon

41:25 by the time you probably are seeing this video You're 5 days away or 6 days away from uh laying your hands on these so is

41:32 this is this replacing the ex 2300 no this is uh augment uh we are

41:39 adding another line you know prior uh if you look at our positioning as well you

41:45 will see um as position this right all the way up front uh I I told you it's

41:52 the best price switch but it also you know not modular that means form factor

41:58 so it'll be one one step before the 2300s uh so

42:03 okay yeah this slide is good we'll probably also add it in the in the show notes so you guys can see like the where

42:10 the 4,000 sits in the line of switches that you guys have but it's pretty much at the beginning

42:17 yes awesome well thank you I thank you for being on the show with us it's always a pleasure to talk to you um yeah

42:27 very much for for the opportunity to come on this show and uh you know for me to talk about the switch thank you thank

42:32 you very much wor if anyone has any questions feel free to send us your

42:38 questions put them in the comments of the uh video down below or and the show

42:43 notes page for for the audio but yeah it was really good information and I I actually can't wait to get my hands on

42:49 it because I do have some use cases for it and I'd like to try it out especially

42:55 uh having it being uh you know either the fanless models having it be quiet

43:01 but also there's features that I have clients that just they don't use those features like the evpn so this would

43:07 make a lot of sense I look forward to your feedback Royal yeah I want to see a picture I

43:12 want to see the AP 47 connected to one yeah do that y yeah just in time for

43:20 Valentine's Day you know two two pieces of Hardware coming

43:25 together ah all right well thank you for your time um and and thank you for for

43:31 sharing with with us the the new hardware the EX4 4000 and um again thank

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