From the datacentre to the edge

0:04 foreign

0:13 a series of programs covering red Hat's

0:16 open ecosystem where we talk with some

0:18 of red Hat's key Partners to discuss the

0:21 pressing topics in the industry I'm Guy

0:24 Daniels director of content at Telecom

0:26 TV and in this show we're going to look

0:28 at the network from the data center to

0:31 the edge

0:33 and joining me today are Ali cartel who

0:36 is senior director Global isvs and oems

0:39 tme vertical at Red Hat

0:42 at James Kelly senior director of

0:45 product management at Juniper Networks

0:47 Hello both of you thanks so much for

0:50 taking part in our program today

0:52 let me start by asking you James what

0:54 are the key trends that you are seeing

0:56 in how service providers are increasing

0:59 their operational economics how does

1:02 open development factor in

1:04 yeah guy what service providers are

1:08 dealing with today to improve

1:10 operational economics are a lot more

1:12 Partnerships

1:13 um one of the things that's especially

1:15 pronounced now in in the changing

1:17 landscape of Partnerships is partnering

1:20 with the hyperscalers right the likes of

1:22 the large Cloud providers in other words

1:24 for hybrid Cloud infrastructure

1:27 obviously taking a page of hybrid and

1:29 multi-cloud popularity out of the

1:30 Enterprise and using the flexibility

1:32 that that brings

1:33 another thing that we continue to see a

1:36 strong development of as they build out

1:38 their their 5G their Telco Cloud

1:41 infrastructures are strong Partnerships

1:43 with the global system integrators right

1:48 this provides the opportunity for more

1:50 flexibility

1:53 um for example as they can pick and

1:56 choose and have the system integrator

1:58 integrate the best parts for the

2:00 solution Taylor Made for them as opposed

2:03 to just a contrast of like a vertical uh

2:07 stack a vertical telephony stack

2:10 to give some other examples outside of

2:12 Partnerships I mean choosing tools

2:14 products from the vendors that addressed

2:17 one to many management whether that's

2:20 one to many use cases like for example

2:24 you know junipers cn2 Cloud native

2:27 control networking product that

2:28 addresses both kubernetes openshift and

2:31 openstack so multiple things there that

2:34 kind of span new and old so to speak and

2:38 multi-cluster management right nobody

2:40 has just one deployment area they have

2:44 many I'm sure we'll talk more about that

2:46 but that's another thing that uh Juniper

2:49 has emphasized in our products uh and

2:51 then getting into the the other part of

2:53 your question around open right

2:55 um

2:56 certainly choosing uh kubernetes

3:00 openshift open source and Open Standards

3:03 based things I mean we can talk a lot

3:05 about uh about open source but the the

3:10 resiliency of using a system like

3:13 kubernetes these days to deploy

3:15 microservice based applications leads to

3:17 obviously increased elasticity kind of

3:20 one of the things that containerized

3:22 applications are famous for and as the

3:26 telephony application vendors move from

3:28 virtual Network functions to

3:29 containerized network functions that run

3:31 in in systems like openshift that

3:34 obviously gives them not just increased

3:36 resiliency but the increased business

3:38 agility along with it

3:40 and Ali what are the key ways that red

3:43 hat and Juniper are supporting this

3:46 development together

3:48 they're really two ways one is

3:50 indirectly we're working together with

3:52 open source as James mentioned

3:55 um we red hat is is a leader in open

3:59 source communities as as you probably

4:01 know and uh Juniper is is also very

4:04 engaged in the open resource community

4:05 so we work together in advising our

4:08 customers what communities they should

4:11 engage with and should leverage in some

4:13 cases contribute to and then the second

4:16 way is really a more direct way and that

4:19 is in providing pre-integrated Cloud

4:22 infrastructure platform product which is

4:25 a combination of the Juniper cn2 and red

4:30 hat openstack and red hat open shift

4:32 provided as a pre-integrated solution to

4:35 our customer base and what that does is

4:38 it has huge advantages over a vertical

4:42 solution because with a pre-integrated

4:45 horizontal Cloud infrastructure uh

4:47 customers not only get the benefits of a

4:51 horizontal solution such as flexibility

4:54 to choose other vendors of their choice

4:58 and standardize configuration and

5:01 automation no vendor lock-in and so on

5:04 but they also get the unified single

5:08 vendor accountability for SLA and James

5:12 can you add your perspective to this

5:14 collaboration

5:15 yeah sure to add on what Ali was talking

5:18 about I mean Juniper has long since

5:21 worked with red hat

5:23 integrating even before we had cn2 which

5:26 is our Cloud native edition of control

5:27 networking we had the classic edition of

5:30 it we were certified with red hat

5:32 openstack and working to do the same

5:35 with red hat openshift now that cn2 is

5:38 rebased on kubernetes as an extension of

5:40 kubernetes itself it snaps very natively

5:43 into openshift we've

5:46 we worked very early on in the

5:49 architecture of that product to ensure

5:52 that it was going to work very well with

5:54 the openshift installers and that the

5:56 red hat customers would have a good

5:57 customer experience out of the box with

6:00 cn2 we continue to engage in the

6:03 certification program which gives

6:05 customers a lot of confidence that what

6:08 they're getting is very well tested and

6:10 above and beyond that Juniper and red

6:12 hat actually have joint Labs together

6:14 where we have you know our brightest you

6:17 know solution Architects come together

6:19 and test these things out innovate do

6:22 things that we think are going to come

6:23 up in like the next year two years that

6:27 were each Road mapping and try them out

6:29 together

6:30 yeah and James how can providers Drive

6:33 investments in future Telco

6:35 infrastructure whilst at the same time

6:37 maintaining their traditional Networks

6:40 yeah you know telcos for decades have

6:43 been pulling off that Balancing Act of

6:46 as Ali was saying you know digital

6:48 transformation always having a foot in

6:52 trying to modernize while maintain what

6:55 they have as their existing footprint

6:57 one of the things about networks is that

7:00 you know they have to work with the

7:01 existing Brownfield networks so Open

7:04 Standards play a big role there but um

7:07 other than those sort of tried and true

7:09 things that are that are obvious you

7:11 know telcos are also diversifying their

7:14 businesses looking at ways they can

7:16 restructure refocus their business

7:19 with new Investments or even divesting

7:22 from areas or selling them off we talked

7:24 in one of the earlier questions about

7:26 the Partnerships and how the changing

7:28 changing landscape for Partnerships is

7:30 affecting uh telcos and I think that

7:33 insofar as you know straddling the new

7:36 and the old having those Partnerships

7:39 with the hyperscalers and the option to

7:41 use cloud-based infrastructure

7:43 um which is certainly you know relevant

7:45 for the Juniper and red hat openshift

7:49 and and cn2 solution let's look at the

7:52 edge now and where do you see Edge

7:53 Technologies heading in the future and

7:56 what joint plans do you have to better

7:58 enable service providers in this space

8:00 Ali let me ask you this first

8:03 sure yeah so obviously what what

8:07 something well experiencing today is the

8:10 huge amount of data that's going through

8:12 the networks right today we know that 70

8:15 of all traffic is driven by video

8:18 streaming gaming and social media

8:21 um but what we're seeing is the demand

8:24 is not just for you know more data and

8:28 uh you know higher application

8:29 performance but also uh value-added

8:33 services such as you know iot augmented

8:36 reality virtual reality robotics machine

8:40 learning and so on so at Red Hat we

8:43 believe that the edge

8:45 is a way uh for service providers to get

8:49 closer to their customers you know Edge

8:52 is a strategy to develop insights and

8:55 experiences

8:57 uh at the moment that they're needed and

8:59 James where do you see Edge Technologies

9:02 heading look I really like what Ali said

9:06 he said that edge is really a way for

9:09 service providers get closer to the

9:11 customer right and what Juniper has done

9:14 to address Edge is really take some of

9:17 the hardened products and Technologies

9:19 routing Technologies especially that

9:22 have been built for the data center for

9:25 the cloud

9:26 and redefine those as software for

9:29 example containerized software at the

9:32 edge sites and take products like cn2

9:35 that scale very well and make a lot of

9:38 the components optional make it very

9:40 Nimble very lightweight for the resource

9:43 profile of edge data centers for Edge

9:46 Cloud so you know the other things I

9:49 suppose you could say that we're doing

9:51 are investing and making sure that we

9:53 work with the compute such as arm that

9:55 is more popular at Edge sites and as Ali

9:58 touched on Juniper has a big Ambitions

10:01 in the Rick space the the radio

10:03 intelligent controller

10:05 to orchestrate the end-to-end solution

10:09 from The Edge site and as part of the

10:12 Radio Networks all the way back through

10:14 I suppose The Edge sites and back to the

10:16 centralized Topo Cloud centers for

10:18 end-to-end Network slicing well James

10:21 and Ali thank you both very much for

10:22 joining us today

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